Everything was awake.
Like the people were not maybe not every single person but lots of people were awake.
The nature was wild awake.
There was a nature-human interface that was conscious.
It just was alive.
Like when you go into a forest and you're just like, "Whoa!
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I am so excited because I have managed to wrangle some time, pull some spiritual strings, and I've got the wonderful Sarah Wiseman back live with me here.
So good to have you back, Sarah.
How you been?
- Oh, really great, Peter.
It's great to chat with you again today.
- I know, and we've been chatting between episodes, catching up, getting to know each other a little bit more.
It's been absolutely awesome.
And for those who don't know, Sarah has been a guest on Inner Power before, and you can obviously go and find that episodes on the podcast list or here on YouTube if you want to as well.
Sarah is a renowned author, 16 titles under her belt, more to come, 1200 podcasts under her belt, more to come.
This lady is just an absolutely insane work train by the sounds of her, but I love it because she's found the time to have a chat to us today.
And we are going to be talking about something that is very prominent in our field.
And Sarah herself is a wonderful visionary teacher and mentor, and we are going to be picking her brains.
And today it's going to be about the big question that many people when they jump into this world is about the trust factor.
If you're not familiar with the trust factor, it's also known as self doubt.
And we're talking about this on a channeling perspective.
So when you're tapping into that Grand University and channel, sometimes we ask ourselves, how do I know whether it's me and how do I know when it's them?
So who better to ask than Sarah herself?
So Sarah, how many times have you heard this question?
Yes, I have this question thousands of times, probably even with people.
And it's usually when people get the information that they've most wanted to hear and it's like the perfect information.
And then they're like, but how do I know I'm just not making it up?
That's just over and over.
That's the phrase to it.
How do I know I'm not making up?
If we only had a dollar for every time someone asked us or mentioned that, we would not be having to be working as much as we love our work with you from the start.
Yeah, I even have I even have in the piece I do a lot of teaching and in the in the lesson that teaches people how to do this technique the very next part is how do I know I'm not making this up that's the title of it to just be like okay yeah I know that you guys are all gonna feel this and then you know because some people devolve into this idea of like it's It's my ego talking or I just wanted to hear it or I, you know, it's just fantasy.
So I just say, leave that question on the table for a while.
Just like, yes, I hear your question.
How do I know I'm not making it up?
Just relax that.
And then I want you to go do this process six more times and then tell me if you think you're making it up still or not.
Well, it seems to me that we're going to get into that.
are gonna get into this, like Sarah's got some amazing tips and processes for anybody who's asked that question.
And I'm pretty much guaranteed, if you're listening to this or you're watching this, you've asked yourself this question at some point in time.
And you know what?
I have, I'm not exempt from that, I have done it.
And I know Sarah has done it.
And before we get into those, you know, it's so important to, you know, Sarah and I, so we're on the same wavelength about ensuring and showing people that as much as we embrace this work, we love our work and we tap in and we channel, but we're still human and we have the human experience.
And this is where I really wanna bring it in.
Now, Sarah, it was lovely 'cause last time in our episode, if you wanna be linked in the show notes here, is that you had your big breakthrough, your spiritual meltdown, maybe the shamanic death aspect around it.
It really is.
And that's when that moment for those who weren't aware, Sarah was on a beach, literally crying her eyes out about my life is not working.
And then you just had a moment.
So for those who didn't catch it, let's very briefly walk us through that moment again.
- Well, I really was angry with the universe because I really wanted to be a fiction novelist, literally.
Come on on, I was like, you want to be a kickflick novelist?
- Kickflick novelist, yes, I'm saying it proud.
And I really, really wanted to do this.
I mean, I'd been working on it for like four years.
I had, I think I'd written four novels and sent them off to publishers.
And I had, I didn't share this on the previous episode, but I had this weird thought that I needed to get 40 rejections and then something would happen.
I didn't share that before it, But I just had this thing like just keep sending them out.
- That's a very random number.
Where did that come from?
Was that just a bullet?
- It just popped in my head like you need 40.
But I thought, so I thought at the end of the 40, I would have an accepted chick-lit novel.
But that isn't what happened.
I believe I sent the chick-lit novel to the, it was either the 40th or the 41st, like whichever that line was crossed and it was sitting with that agent.
So I sent it off and then I was just nothing.
All these 40 rejections.
You get these.
Thank you for sending.
It's just these horrible rejections from publishers or maybe you just don't even hear.
And I was just on the beach crying like what I don't get it.
Like I'm working so hard.
I thought this was my path.
All I'm doing is getting rejected.
And then this idea of if whatever you want me to do, I'll do it.
Like I give that up.
If I'm not supposed to do this, I'm I'm supposed to do something else.
I let go of the whole dream.
I just was like, it's obviously not working.
And, and that was when the next day, the agent that I'd sent that 48th or 41st, I don't know what you count as being done with 40.
That was the person that contacted me and said, you know, the novel won't work.
But would you like to do, she said, it feels like you're channeling something in this work.
Would you like to write a book about channeling?
And that was the start of everything.
You know, that was, and I think, I think that so the agent usually takes agents a very long time to sell books.
But I think that that that was contracted like really fast, like within a month or so.
Which you know, is not how it happens normally.
That was just how it happened then.
And then you know, the universe is so funny because then I had this book to write about channeling and I really didn't know how to do it.
Let's put that in context.
Here's a person who's a channel but is not sure how to write a channel book.
I love that I love that.
So, yeah, I mean, I had been channeling, so sort of this timeline is a little mixed up, but I hadn't been channeling.
But I had this strange process where I would just go sit on this old sofa and it would arrive, but I couldn't make it happen.
I actually thought this is, I thought maybe it's the sofa, you know, like maybe the sofa is magic.
And I'm just, just like, I couldn't figure it out.
And so then she said, so this was the gift.
I was like, please write us a book about channeling.
So I had some channeling to provide.
But then they're like, well, this is great, but this is only half a book.
Please write about how to do the channeling process.
And this is where I didn't know.
And so that was the start of, OK, how do you do this stuff?
Like, how do you channel?
How do you channel in writing?
So I had to go and research that.
Like what was that even in the past?
Like in the past, I found out that people would channel on long strips of wallpaper so that their hand would not, you know, if you're trying to channel on a little piece of paper, you have to keep going back and forth.
But if you're channeling with your eyes closed, you wanna just be able to keep writing.
So I got these very ancient books that were channeled, like from the late 1800s.
- And I just dived into it and then I was like, well, how do I do my process?
Well, my process is I don't use a pen, I close my eyes and I type on a laptop and how does that work?
It comes in this ear, like all these picking apart, like how does it happen?
- Wow, you really had to slow down and snapshot yourself doing the process.
- Wow, and that's not easy 'cause when you're in channel, usually your energy's moving a lot faster.
It's not the easiest thing to slow down stop and focus on each element.
So that's an impressive process.
And what it was to me is I didn't know that I would be teaching this work, but that was the first place of, okay, let's break it down.
And here's how you do it.
And suddenly I realized there's other things I want to learn how to do.
And I want to learn how to teach that also.
- Well, it was a baptism by fire, really, wasn't it?
- It's like, here's your channeling, here's your path, but provide us with a book on how to do it, and you're like, okay, I do it, but I'm saying, so it's amazing.
That's, what I love about that is, it's like the moment you've surrendered, the path has become kind of revealed and they've helped you along the way.
I think it's that whole, take your hands off the steering wheel for a second, because clearly how you're driving or where you're driving is not paying dividends.
And as soon as you let it go to autopilot, you let universe take over, they can take you where you need to be.
So that takes a lot of trust.
And that's why it brings it up, like, you know, to do that and have that element.
Now, of course, like that's mean, going from that very, I love the fact, like 24 hours, like universe has provided an opening and showing you the way.
And that's led to far more books and writing and channeling.
But let's have a look at it because clearly, you know, I know from my side of things, going through it, I love the way you said, like, you do struggle with your own head, what you're receiving.
How, like, when you look at this, how have you dealt with that trust factor?
How have you kind of managed to negate or work on or the self down?
What's something that you've done through your career to help with that?
- Yes, this isn't quite answering exactly that question, but the first part of that is in receiving the channeling I received spiritual teachings and I knew that it wasn't, I trusted that it was from another source because I really didn't understand what I was writing.
Like I was writing all this information and it didn't really make sense to me.
Like I hadn't elevated up enough to the level to understand it yet.
So I knew that's one part.
I knew what was coming through was higher level than my understanding was.
that's specifically about the channeling, or maybe you could even say like, with you're dealing with the guides or in mediumship, the information that comes in is higher level than your personality knows.
The other part is the trust part for me is I use a lot of tools and I teach this way too, like I'll use clairvoyant visioning and I'll use mediumship and I'll use channeling and I'll use the body and I'll use nature.
And so it's almost like this cross-checking of tools for every question.
And that really takes away any false leads or false ideas of your cross-checking across different systems.
And then I also tell people, or I also work with, you know, you don't just go in and ask for guidance once and there's the answer.
It's more like you, yeah.
Well, I mean, sometimes that happens.
- If we could do that with a lot of our ticket, it would be a lot easier.
- Yeah, yeah, exactly.
- You know, you don't just do that once.
It's a practice and what you're looking for is the pattern of information that starts to come over time.
- That's what it is.
- Big words, big, so important, like practice number one and patterns, they're so important.
- The pattern.
- Yeah, and so you developed your own kind of cross-referencing to help you recognize these patterns?
- Yeah, exactly.
And a lot of, so I work with two ideas within, Is it like a, what is it?
The George Harrison song, "Within and Without.
" And the time will come when you see we're all one and life goes on within you and without you.
So within, you go within and you do your meditation and you do your dreaming and you do your visioning and you do the guides and the mediumship and your body and you receive that way.
And then you go without into the big world and you just wait for events and synchronicities and people to come at you.
And everything's answering the same question, like all the within and all the without is like, it forms a pattern so you can see what's happening.
- I like that 'cause with those and with those patterns and the way you're talking about letting people, places, all these like universe provide these answers to you from different places, with that, you do you have that like process when you have because I know I've done it and I've always said to spirit my thing is if I'm not listening we're just putting more off than not because I'm doing opposite but I always say if it's really urgent and I'm not getting the message I say please bring me three different people with the same message on the same day like I get super specific with a a pattern.
And even when I get to two, I'm like, I'm already paying attention.
I'm like that little like, you know, that pretty pro pro dog on that on the plane.
Go what, what, what, what, you know, it's like, I'm already starting because it's a pattern.
Do you like, do you find that like you wait, have you ever waited for like, you might get one answer, but with your cross-reference, you're waiting for it to come again?
Is that something that you use?
And especially sometimes, you know, this phrase like divine timing is is not our timing.
And so sometimes either the answer isn't ready for us yet or we're not ready for the answer yet or we need to learn more in order to understand the answer.
So I don't worry.
Like I talk about this idea of the word I use is strands.
So strands to me are chunks of synchronicities patterned together.
And so you might have a strand like maybe you're working on a work strand.
and maybe you're working on a romance strand and a health strand and a money strand and a travel strand, different parts of your life.
And so some of those might be activated, really flowing fast, and others might just be stuck in the mud for a couple years, just like that's not moving.
And so I always look at this idea, like what's moving, what's working, that's where I put my attention.
If something's really stuck, I just kind of let it rest.
So part of it is about not only getting answers, but knowing sometimes the timing of the answer is not now and that's fine.
Like you can just, it's okay.
You don't have to know everything at once.
- Yeah, we have to.
And I think that's a very important point for a lot of listeners to stress is you have to relax on the timing, not everything's about the now.
I think that's a big thing.
You can ask the question, but it doesn't mean you're gonna get the answer now.
- Well, and if you go back, Peter, to that idea of like where I wanted, I was asking that question about the Chick-Lit book.
Chick-Lit, Chick-Lit, you know, ask, ask, ask.
I'm asking the wrong question, right?
I was asking the wrong question.
So when I slowed it down and just let all that go, the answer was, the answer had probably been there a long time, I just hadn't seen it.
- I love that.
That is so true.
We forget sometimes we might be asking the wrong questions And we might be going, 'cause we look at it, and I suppose, you know, in this situation that you're talking about that you went through, like I've been through it myself going, but why isn't this happening?
Why is this is, I've put so much time and energy and effort into this, but why isn't this happening?
Like I want this, I've worked towards this, you know, you've helped me this far, why stop it now kind of thing?
And then it's simply because we're not seeing the turn they had in, you know, in that process for us.
And I love that.
And I think that stems back to we forget if you're not getting a good answer, you're not asking good enough question.
And I love that.
And I love that you brought that up.
Or sometimes maybe like I will ask or I'll offer to people to ask the broadest question, like instead of this person A have a crush on me, you know, a common question that last people would want that answer to is like, the question might be, show me the true nature of my relationship with person A.
So it sort of takes that whole crush thing out.
It just like, show me what's really there.
- But even just hearing you say that, the difference in the question, as soon as you word it, you just kind of go, that's so much more robust, so much more profound.
And it seems to me like, I was hearing that guy, that's so much clearer.
- Like, and-- - 'Cause the universe, if the universe already knows that person A, you know, like is a totally horrible person for you.
They don't wanna talk about crushes.
They wanna talk about, you know, let's look at what's really going on here.
And that's, I know when I get into depth of my clients, that's one thing they go, "Oh, Mark, there's a lot of detail on that.
"Yeah, 'cause I'm looking forward with you.
" This is like a project.
- It's like, you talk about the streams.
Like I do, I follow that line and I project on that line, what I was looking for.
You know, that's an amazing thing.
But it's like, I like that you're bringing up like asking the better question or like you might be asking the wrong question.
And so that kind of does play a part.
And the divine timing kind of does come in a big part of doing that.
And I suppose, you know, we touched on a little bit about that surrender aspect.
You have to sometimes surrender to divine timing and those kind of things.
So those processes, you've got you look at the pattern and it's OK to ask.
Like I think some people might get, how do they say it to me?
They say things like, I feel like I'm a bit of a broken record.
I keep asking the same question.
I get an answer and I get an answer.
And this brings me up because it's just it's coming to my brain because I recently did an event and I was connected with a mediumship and this lovely old lady comes in.
Name was Alice.
I'll never forget her.
And in this situation, like it's amazing how many people ask for a sign from spirit or is this meant to be?
And she says, I'm coming through because I have been sending signs and they're not getting them.
And I was like, so I've said this and I said, okay, I'm asking her.
I'm a mind and she gave me the whole story.
And she says, right, I've been sending feathers.
I have given you a lot of feathers, but you're not recognizing the feathers.
And you kept doubting the feathers to a point where you asked your friend, are these feathers assigned from her in spirit?
And your friend said, no, it's just a bird feather.
And then she goes, well, then I sent you the whole bloody bird and the bird smack into the windshield and they and then as soon as I said that the lady in the court just go, that's me.
Oh my God.
That's my mom.
And she goes and the lady who asked about the signs is right sitting right beside me and she just went red.
Oh my gosh.
I said, I sent you the whole bloody bird and you still didn't believe.
You know, so some people get funny about asking again.
Do you think it's okay to, because that's where that trust and that self-doubt, because we think, "Is it not?
Am I getting that message?
Do I want it?
That usual stuff?
" Have you, do you find it okay to ask again?
Well, kind of this mix of asking all the time and completely relaxing.
Just like, because I like this idea of, there's this idea of like the red thread of destiny where you cannot miss what you're being led to.
That sounds like a great title for a book or just going to say, I think it's something it's something like a like a maybe it's a Chinese proverb or something.
I'm not really sure where it came from, but but this idea that you can't miss your destiny.
And so you can ask and ask and ask.
Yes, I do that.
And then you can also be like, I'll know it when it gets here.
Like, I don't have to worry or stress.
And that's funny about the feathers that's like, like there has been times when I've been so doubting.
And one time I was considering writing another book or I was I was confused about what I was supposed to be doing and I went on a hike with my husband and I was like, damn it, I need to know what my path is and I need to know by the end of this hike.
So yeah, so you know, they're usually those backfire and don't work that well.
But but so so we're walking along in the hike, it's beautiful and I I keep like every little animal, I'm like, there's the sign.
You know, but there was nothing.
It was just like a pleasant hike and nothing happened.
And I was really, I was again, here I am.
I'm like, why is it not happening?
So we go over to this little picnic table and sit down for a moment.
And I was just like, you know, it's really sad because I asked for this sign and nothing happened.
And then I look down at my feet and there is a very giant feather.
It's about this long.
It's like a white feather.
And I said, look, there's a feather.
That's a sign.
And I said, but I don't know what it means.
My husband looks at me like I mean, saying, and he's like, it's a quill, you idiot.
It's for writing.
You're supposed to keep writing.
And there it was.
It was the white quill, like from.
And I'm just like, OK.
So this is my life.
Like, I never know what's going on.
If the signs are clear as day, I'm always misinterpreting, but you just have to keep going with that because-- - You know, a little caveat here if anyone watching and listening, remember as much as we deal with this every day, it's like anything, it's the proverbial forest from the trees, don't you think?
Like it is like, as much as we're in it, we're really good at doing it for everyone else.
We can't read for ourselves.
So we experience the same pain.
And that's what we're talking about.
And that's why we're bringing it up.
But I love the fact you got a quill.
And I love the way, I love the fact that your husband's there going, come on, seriously.
Don't understand it.
You've been asking the question you ask it all day you finally get it and you go, but I'm not sure what Yeah, yeah, exactly.
That brings up a really important point.
I want to ask How important or what?
part does expectation play on the trust or self down factor Well, I think that expectation for me I expect that I will receive even answer for sure.
Because that's been proven over years and years and years of doing these practices and it always happens.
I expect that the answer may be different than what I thought or hoped or even considered.
It may be different.
And I expect that it will be for my highest good because that's how the universe works in my opinion.
No, I'm totally the same way I'm with you there.
And I love that you've mentioned that because it is.
It's and I jumping in with that because you've the things there because when you look at expectation You've worked like I can see even that you you're under like I know I can see that brain ticking away there and going yep The expectation with the trust and self doubt.
Do you find that?
People might get caught up in what they expect the answer to be It's almost like there's an attachment to the question Yeah, so a very common example might be someone might come and They're asking all these questions about a relationship like that maybe they're married and Like I'll see right away that in that situation the marriage isn't gonna stay.
Yeah, it's just there's somebody's what for whatever reason Yeah, and so So it's really difficult to like we see what we see.
The person is still on the track of, I would never get divorced or I would never, you know, I have to be married and we can already see that then you have to sort of work with the person around their belief system and respect their need to be in the process, you know, it's their life.
And to just offer what we see without any kind of judgment I'm not sure that answered exactly, but that's a very common situation.
They have this, somebody wants it to be one way and it's just not going to be.
I think so now taking that context and it's like, that's mean, I think again, it's the forest from the trees.
So when we're connecting with a client and helping with that, I totally agree.
We just see it for what it is.
And I think because we don't have that emotional attachment to the outcome or what the answer is going to be, we can see it for what it truly is.
not trying to cherry pick the idea or the situation.
And I think that plays a very significant part when you as a person, so, you know, asking as anybody who's listening, when you're asking for the universe for that sign or you're looking for an answer to the question, you know, you're going to ask why you're getting this self doubt, why you're asking that question.
I would like looking at these examples that Sarah's been talking about is you've got to release that expectation and attachment to the outcome.
And I think, you know, coming right back full circle, almost like you released the expectation or outcome with your novel writing.
And it's amazing coming that full circle.
But when we look at this, though, you know, it is, it's like, you know, the self getting trust is always going to be there.
It's something like, so, but you've kind of developed your own little way of doing it.
And I think the big thing is practice too.
Like it's through experience, like you've learned.
And maybe some help with your husband along the way by the sounds.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
A bit of outside help never hurts, but we have that.
But, you know, looking at it because it is a common thing now adding that realizing we've got X-Base Stasis Detachments, we should really like look at that first and we've got to almost surrender those to the universe when we're asking the question.
But let's get into it and let's have a look.
What other what are some tips that you can give our listeners and viewers like succinctly to help work through this self doubt is this me is this them so what are some tips that you can give us?
Well I think that it's okay if you just really can't trust you don't have to trust you can still work on your spiritual connection practices which could be I work with the kind of meditation style I call intuitive gathering where you're not going super deep but But you can learn this stuff.
It's like you can learn the piano or you can learn to paint.
You can learn intuition.
So you start to work with that.
And if you can't trust yet, just let that go.
Just don't trust.
And then taking a look at being really honest with yourself about, like I work with a lot of people who have a lot of really old belief systems or belief systems that are piled on them from childhood or cultures, schools, family.
And like start to chip away at that and discover who you are outside of all of what you were loaded down with as your operating system.
Most of it's not real, like letting go of a lot of that.
And then a lot of people have like tremendous trauma in their childhood coming up or like there's abuse of all kinds, addiction, bad habits that they're doing now.
And like really looking like, so say you're a person with, you know, who drinks a lot.
So that's gonna cloud everything.
Or if you're a person with like a big shopping issue, like kind of looking at like where your habits unhealthy and it's not to put any judgment or blame on that, but like kind of looking at like, how am I acting in the world?
how am I showing up and just looking at the pieces that are a little more unhealthy or not useful and kind of looking at like, how is this preventing me from being able to connect clearly?
If you're just like in super, and I don't have any judgment at all, but if you're in super party-- - But it's an outside influence?
- Yeah, it's like it's gonna, it's gonna like, if you're eating junk food all day long or you're partying all the time, like it's gonna affect, or if you're always fighting with your sister or if you're shopping on Amazon all day long or saying for a friend.
(laughing) - I was gonna say, there's a shopping thing coming up a little bit too often here.
- Yeah, yeah.
- It's for a friend, it's for a friend.
- Or if you're on your phone all the time, all these ways of being distracted, if you're distracted, look at, what am I distracting from?
because there's probably a deeper answer there to explore.
- And I suppose, and that's been, I totally understand that.
I refer that to, there's things that we do distract ourselves, but it's like the junk in the trunk.
And we're on the upstairs.
There's stuff there that's actually going to cloud that.
And I think we talked about, I don't think it was quite mentioned when we were recording, but you talk about the dam, building up the beaver dam, so these things.
So one of the things you recommend is really becoming aware or mindful of your own actions and how that's influencing your headspace.
- Yes, and not doing it from a place of shame or any kind of self-judgment, just like what's there?
Like what needs to be sort of realigned or healed, released, maybe some people do really well with therapy or work with a healer, like change some habits, like just look at it.
Like, I always think, like you wouldn't give a toddler like a phone or junk food or alcohol, like you keep them pretty like healthy.
So like if your own self is not being treated that way, that's probably gonna cloud all of your ability to like hear these messages that the universe is trying to help you with.
- Well, so yeah, okay.
So in that instance, it's like really looking yourself and that's me not and Whatever we're doing like that.
It is ultimately going to affect our energy and how it and that's mean We're all energy and how we're gonna receive that energy and if you're distracted You're not gonna hear those messages or receive those messages in the first place So that's a really important way of looking at because I'm look there are looking it's it's just the reality of the situation There will be people who are listening to this going but I ask questions that I don't receive answers.
Well, you know They can send you the whole bloody bird and give you all the feathers you want.
But unless you're really paying attention or even have the awareness to work on receiving them in the first place, yeah, it's going to make it very, very hard.
So that's that's really I love that tip.
It's like making sure you're aware of your it's I suppose your receivership for a lack of a better word.
Yeah, or it's almost like, yeah, this this feeling of like sometimes people, I'm sure you talk about this, you get this full body chill when something is real.
So you want, it's almost like you want that feeling of excitement or expectation or magic or something's happening.
Like every time you go out or in every part of your life, it's like the universe is communicating.
And so what's going to happen today?
It's a really exciting way to go about your life.
Like it's, it's something's going to be communicated.
I can't wait to discover what it'll be.
I like that because it's yeah and it's actually because it is being communicated.
So once you work on your receivership like we were talking about before, then it's about acknowledging it and saying it is being communicated and I suppose it's learning what that is for you as an individual, isn't it?
So as you know, I get the goosebumps, especially when I'm in the mediumship mode, it's like they go, "Yeah, that's it.
" It's like there's No doubts whatsoever.
It's completely dead.
What's one of your little little idiosyncrasies with that when you know it's being communicated to you?
I was just on a little trip.
So I live in a kind of a conservative town and I just took a little day or a couple day trip up to some islands in the West US and I got there and something was different, right?
And I couldn't put my finger on it And I realized that what I was sensing was like everything was awake.
Like the people were not maybe not every single person but lots of people were awake.
The nature was wild awake.
There was a nature human interface that was conscious.
It just was alive.
Like when you go into a forest and you're just like whoa it was that.
That just sense of this is different.
This is amazing.
It was astounding and it was just because of the consciousness level Was lifted up.
It was lifted up and it obviously just hit you when you're receiving it.
Yeah Yeah, automatically you're trying to equalize and get to that level to fit and you'd feel yourself being lifted to that Yeah, or I remember being in I've taught in Hawaii some and like here here here in the US You when you take people into meditation you have to lift the vibration up and in Hawaii Like you have to bring people down in order to There's so much like I don't know if Ethnic energy there.
It's like people are all up in this space and you're like, okay We got to go to this place where we're gonna meditate so you guys I'll raise the place people just sign natural highs natural The island is the island vibe - The high and high.
(laughing) So, I know it's interesting, it's being aware.
So that's another great way of being aware of the consciousness or the energy that you're in as well.
So that's what I mean.
So I think there's some really important tips that we've noticed is understanding the receivership.
You know, so being aware of our behaviors or patterns which may affect the receivership.
So you can ask the questions all day long, but if your antenna is broken, for your antenna is not even on.
(laughs) - Yeah, yeah, or if you're, yeah, exactly.
And I think another tip is surrounding.
So it can be very difficult if you're a person interested in this kind of work and the mainstream is not supportive.
So a very strong tip is go find community.
If you, like, one of the reasons I started working even online at all is because in the town I'm in, There's nobody, I mean, there are some people, but it's a very small for people doing this.
Yeah, so there's no, so I wanted to find community.
And so go into this kind of work, find groups, be with others that understand this and talk to them and help each other.
Like this idea that souls help each other and each person has the puzzle piece that the next person needs.
And so like, go join.
Even if you're shy and you just wanna be online on a Zoom call with your photo off, just do it.
Just lurk, be a lurker, but still connect.
(laughing) Still connect.
- No, to self next time in Sarah Weissman conference, I have random name, no picture, and I'll be a lurker.
Actually, I'll call myself Lurch.
- Spiritual Lurch, yeah.
- Spiritual Lurch.
That also really ties into that kind of receivership aspect and what you're kind of talking about.
And to sum that up, and it's so important, and I think it's something that's very easy to forget, and a lot of people who suffer from, they don't have their tribe, they don't have that community.
And you've got to remember, I know if you're listening to us now, you're listening to a friend, 'cause this is your vibe.
This is your vibration.
You're here listening for a reason, and your vibration, your vibe attracts your tribe.
even my service just signed, you know, that community for you didn't fall on your lap.
You had to kind of really work at that one, didn't you?
- Again, these ways that the universe just leads us to the right person.
One of my first introductions into the important Oregon, there's quite a large psychic scene.
And I was at an event, I sat at a table, the person across from me said, "Oh, do you know so-and-so?
" It's like, "Who?
" And then the next day I called-- - That's so many sorry, I know who they are.
- Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like, okay.
And so the next day I called, or probably called them as we've called before email, I don't know.
And then they're like, would you like to come to, we're having a psychic fair, would you like to come?
Like, yes, then I met those people.
So this idea of, and then for me, finding that most people that do this kind of work, or many people are very, very sensitive, they might be super introverted, kind of quirky, don't fit, feel they don't fit.
And like, let's make a safe haven for all of us.
Somebody said like, it's, it's the witches and the monks, those were our past lives, you know, that we were the witches and the monks, and let's make a safe haven to bring this kind of awareness out.
And let's support each other.
Because mainstream is still dominant.
It's a dominant culture.
So what we're bringing is kind of a pioneering work to be a new way of thinking about things.
- One of my bigger motivating factors is around the inner power community is providing, it's exactly those words, providing that safe place where you are free to be yourself, speak about these things.
And again, you mentioned about the belief systems and how much they play an effect.
And they do like, where are beautiful small onion when they're born?
By the time you reach 25, you're this big and it's everybody else's crap and society's crap built up around you and you've forgotten what your core center is or less alike.
And I like that too, because it's like, it's about having that safe place.
And I know it's a big thing for me and so many people are appreciative of it because for the first time, for some, I feel like I can truly speak openly without being judged or someone for me in opinion.
And it's such a powerful thing.
But I love that other tip because not just community, but I like what you mentioned there.
And it's so like, I just, when you're talking about, I just had a quick moment of reflecting myself about people.
And you know, so community is great.
And we have people in community, but people will be some of your biggest, like, what's, what's the word I'm looking for?
Signals or messages will come through people, universal, nudge you through people.
Because there's a lot of us and that's who we tend to interact on a day to day basis.
So it comes through people that you said you were sitting cross opposite the table.
I don't know.
I don't know.
But there goes one thing, another thing, another thing.
So it's like, yeah, people are communicating the same way.
Like if it's pretty easy to communicate, say with an animal or with the plant or nature.
But people, it's like, we're so similar.
It's just very direct.
It's just like somebody could just tell you something.
You'll just write you something.
you'll just get it faster.
So the universe will put us into, I also use this word, convergence of this idea when the person, time and place all come together magically and that creates a life changing event.
Like you meet the person that takes you to the next thing.
And that could be a love relationship, it could be business partnership, it could be a friend, but that next step is like a convergence and the next step begins.
And so even if you're an introvert, you can still do it in an introvert way.
You can still do it that way.
It's so, you can just be with other shy people, it's fine.
- You can do it in an introvert way.
- I love that.
I'm not gonna let forget that one.
I was like, just remember you still do it in it.
'Cause I know, but I totally do, I understand 'cause I've got quite a few clients and members who are on the introverted side of things.
And sometimes they feel like they are missing out because they feel like, and I think I feel for them 'cause quite often I find they put guilt on themselves or they feel shame 'cause they feel like they should be more out there or they should be connecting more.
And I think it's great too, 'cause it can happen.
You can make it work even though, just like Sarah said, you just do it in an introverted way.
There are ways around it, so don't get hard on yourself.
Being down on yourself doesn't do anybody any favors.
And it's quite interesting too, because Spirit have given me a nudge here with that.
And this will just, I wanna probably finish over before we wrap it up.
But do you, like they're talking about this, being hard on yourself and your own headspace, how does this influence receiving messages and the trust and the self del factor?
- Yeah, that's a really good way of putting it.
I think a lot of the process of the whole thing is to, like you said about where the little onion, then we become the layered onion.
I also see it like we spend our whole life learning all this stuff that's not true until midlife.
And then from midlife on, we spend the whole time releasing everything that we were wrong.
(laughing) So, yeah.
- Oh, we'll go, God is not, we're just gonna grow it and then we're just gonna strip it back.
- Yeah, so this idea of part of the whole reason to do this work is to release everything that you're not.
And that is the shame and the doubt.
That's all just attaching to whatever misbelief you were raised with, it's not real.
Like you can just let that go and operate without it.
And this entire way of working with, oh my gosh, with the higher power, it's so funny.
But this whole idea of working with something bigger than yourself will help you release all that falseness and bring you to less suffering, more enjoyment, more peace, just a happier, more purposeful life, which is the whole reason we're here.
- You've fully said, and it's, we've got to do that.
There is work involved.
And obviously, that's what we want to talk about.
These are some things, it's not always what you think the answer is going to be, even as you were saying before, Sarah, it's like you expect an answer that you're not expecting.
But it is, and I think we've got to be mindful of those mindset and how where our mind is at when we're working with the energy, because if our energy is lower, we're not gonna be, 'cause it is a high power.
They can lift you a little bit, but we can't rely on it to do it all for you.
- Yeah, if we have all this weights on our feet, it's harder, just take the weights off your feet.
I do think one tip, a tip that, like I don't really believe like you have to have like a two hours meditation practice or you have to, I just think a lot of these things like-- - I like you, Sarah, I like you a lot.
I just like, I just hear you say, I'm like, this chick's got it.
- Yeah, well, I mean, you just like, so a lot of my processes, like I do like to, I meditate in the morning a little after my dreams.
I journal, not much comes out really.
It's just sort of like, in case something's gonna be there.
A lot of my practice is just going to bike ride, going to walk, kind of relax, use.
It's like, it does not have to be formal.
It's just this state of awareness and the state of receiving kind of all the time.
And notice-- - What a wonderful tip.
That is a huge one.
I love that.
That is something I think is such a valid point of sometimes with everything done and like it's great that so many people are more interested in what we're doing.
But like you said, maybe there's too much structure with what we're trying to do now.
Whereas like you said, as soon as you're saying, for me, like the beach, just walking on the beach is where I receive the most.
I'm not meditating, but I consciously get myself into that state.
Yeah, it's almost like your sofa, you know?
Is it a sofa?
No, I'm quite for myself.
I didn't get to the beach there.
I'm not switched on as I I should be right right right right right and but it's but yeah it's just that idea of like a word would be making your life spacious so not being too busy not being too pressured having time to just zone out and because I do feel especially with like I have uh kids that are in their 20s and and they're kind of interested in this, but they have a lot of props and things like it's a different and I'm like, you don't need any of that.
You don't need this and that and you just they like it.
So it works.
But like, you don't really need it and you have everything you need just right by yourself doing nothing.
It's all there for you.
Don't complicate it.
Oh, that's awesome.
So I love this.
I've had to make notes because I'm like, wow, we've got some serious tips in here.
I'm just gonna quickly surmise them because I know just being aware of the time here is that, you know, we've got to look at the receivership and that's about your behaviors reflecting on who you are, what you're doing and how it's influencing you as an antenna.
Yeah, so we've got that one.
Then, and I love this, the way you said it, you've got to acknowledge the communication.
I love the way you said that.
Acknowledge the communication.
It's an amazing thing.
And I suppose like you're saying, everybody will have to find their own, yeah?
It's not set, you know, you have some common ones like other people might get the goosebumps, but not everybody's going to get the goosebumps.
And not everyone's going to be a medium and not everyone's going to be a clairvoyant and not everyone's going to be a hands-fielder.
Like it's just like in school, some people are good at maths and sciences and some people are go to languages like you're going to have your own little way.
That's the best.
You don't try and do them all.
And that's easy for you.
A great analogy.
Like it is.
So your find your strengths and just because what works for someone else around you doesn't mean it's going to work for you.
So acknowledging your communication and being aware to receive that is going to be a big step in the right direction on that trust or self doubt for you.
Then comes another big one which Sarah's talking about around your beliefs.
We're getting into the lovely onion part of it here.
But that's the community, your vibe and your tribe.
And look, I love it.
Like, you know, even connecting with you Sarah, like it's just like anybody, you just, you're so much more natural, you're so much more free and there's less stress by finding that community.
And when you've got people around you who are supporting you, it's got that trust factor will increase for you.
Like you're going to believe in yourself more, you believe in yourself more, your trust factor of what you're receiving will also increase.
- Yeah, so the community, so that's another one.
Then we've got, but also people, be aware people will help interact with you.
I love how you talk about the table and people are gonna be around you, they will nudge you and guide you.
And of course, the best one of them all, I have to say, I love you, you left the best to last, just be you.
Be more spacious in your life, create that space.
I love it because something I refer to is remember you have to sometimes actively create space for student universe to work in and provide space for them to work through you because we have a lot of crap in our head.
It's one of those big things, but there's some awesome tips and I love it.
Just remember guys, you know, everybody's going to go through it.
Practice patience and perseverance.
They're my three P's.
They have served me well.
Not my favorite things for any of my students, 'cause they go, here we go, the three P's once again.
And some of them have been cheating up to dub them the four P's because they're Peter's P's.
So it's Peter's practice perseverance, you know?
It's just like, ah, you know, they're like, so I'm like, yeah, funny, funny, funny.
But it's something that I do kind of focus on.
But I like it.
Honestly, everybody listen to what Sarah has mentioned there about that.
If you can apply some practice and working with those tips, that trust and self-doubt, the trust will go up and the self-doubt will go down.
And once that starts to happen, you really are living more in flow, aren't you?
- Yeah, and once that starts to happen, remember, like I know so many people on the path helped me with that connection and then remember, like you take the hand that's helping you and then you put your hand down to help every other person.
Like, I know how to do that.
Let me show you this, or you just help them.
You just help other people.
And it's just, I think it's more exciting to help other people who are learning than it was for me to even learn how to do this stuff.
It's so much more, I don't know, it just is really a big feeling.
It's really big.
- And look, you can tell, like when you get spacious, like you just did, you know, it's just a calling and it's something in the core of yourself and I couldn't have come up with a more elegant way and a beautiful way to wrap this episode up because it is like as much as and that's what we're here guys we've been through it we want to help you and again I just want to offer a big thanks to Sarah for your time your insight your expertise your advice, I could keep going with a list of adjectives who would be endless.
But honestly, thank you so much for your time.
And of course, if anybody you want to find out, just make sure Sarah Wiseman keeps things simple.
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but if to like, don't be afraid to go check out what's on Sarah's website, 'cause there'll be something there to help you.
Wherever it's, whatever step or part of the journey you are on, she's there to help.
But again, thank you so much for your time, Sarah.
- Oh, Peter, well yeah, just really awesome.
Thank you so much.
- Thanks everyone, and I hope you've got and learnt a bit out of this episode.
I hope it has helped you.
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